Kenna Morton's Journal, 04 Aug 19

Insulin, an undeserved bad reputation by James Krieger. It's a good read and also backed by science. But I know some only like science when it doesn't invalidate their views. 

"The CICO model is the idea that our body weight is determined by voluntary decisions about how much we eat and move, and in order to control our body weight, all we need is a little advice about how many calories to eat and burn, and a little willpower. The primary defining feature of this model is that it assumes that food intake and body fatness are not regulated. This model seems to exist mostly to make lean people feel smug, since it attributes their leanness entirely to wise voluntary decisions and a strong character. I think at this point, few people in the research world believe the CICO model as it provides a poor fit for the evidence."  

In summary, I've referenced two people that argue against the insulin/carbohydrate hypothesis, yet still supports my argument. Thanks for playing, try harder next time.  

Anecdotal evidence, at best, a charge you regularly throw at Keto. You insist on having it your way. To quote Kenna from a comment above, "There are people here who just don’t know what they don’t know." I don't know, but I'm open to ideas. You are all-in on what you think you know and couldn't care less about what you don't.  

Diablo you are totally off subject with your last comment. It seems that you have to have a win more than anything else. This is about medication affecting weight gain.  

Metabolic ward studies are often flawed, poorly designed, and can't be extrapolated to the general population. I'm not suggesting YOU do a damn thing, but that's what it always comes back to, you want to look at everything through YOUR lens, and THAT, also, is flawed. I sincerely don't care how many calories you eat or how you get them.  

Metabolic ward studies are often flawed? Hahahaha, if you had one the proved keto caused more fat loss you'd share it every chance you got. Alas.... 

Kevin Hall's study above did just that.  

I'm asking this because I really don't know. Years and years ago my g-mom took prednisone for asthma. She blew up like a balloon. Do any of you have experience with this medication? Is this still a side effect?  

No it didn't, there was no difference in fat loss. 

How do you respond to Stephan Guyenet? "The CICO model is the idea that our body weight is determined by voluntary decisions about how much we eat and move, and in order to control our body weight, all we need is a little advice about how many calories to eat and burn, and a little willpower. The primary defining feature of this model is that it assumes that food intake and body fatness are not regulated. This model seems to exist mostly to make lean people feel smug, since it attributes their leanness entirely to wise voluntary decisions and a strong character. I think at this point, few people in the research world believe the CICO model as it provides a poor fit for the evidence." 

According to my profile I weighed in 30 days ago. Maintenance is going great, thanks for asking.  

Yes. I think we can all agree that studies have shown that certain medications can promote weight gain, all other factors being equal...as well, certain drugs and medications can promote weight loss too...whether from increased Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis or reduced/increased calorie output it matters not. Also, CICO deficits can be beneficial to hormonal changes that affect health and weight loss as Keto or other diets do too. 

Hormones affect what we do. They can make us more hungry, they can cause water retention, sluggishness, etc. Still doesn't make CICO irrelevant. 

100% agreed, Steven. 

I rarely step on a scale, that's been consistent for me since I started, and I don't owe you any explanation. The difference between the two of us is that I don't crusade against any diet, I've never said that people can't lose fat while eating carbohydrates, that's just a strawman of your design because you fully embrace the thinking that Stephan Guyenet describes above.  

Quote me "crusading" against a diet. I know keto works very well to reduce calories . 

You do it by implication all the time. Arguing that hormones aren't affected by macros is a good example.  

Thanks, Kenna. I find that after my infusion, every 21 days, my body seems to work more efficiently. This is when I normally take off weight. So, I guess some medication does the exact opposite. Just my very unprofessional opinion. 💚  

Kissangelgirl..predisone is a weight killer. My mom had to take it and she did balloon up.