-Diablo's Journal, 07 Jul 18

Agree with many points. Strongly disagree with advice from 'Registered Dieticians'. Their schooling is terribly wrong and skewed by religion. People get more aware of it, and I see panic amongst them, fueled by fear of loosing position and work. 

Excellent posting Diablo. Completely agree, especially as regards credible (and peer reviewed) research.  

Tbh personal results are the only thing I place value in. If I don't see how it has worked in more than a few people why bother looking more into it anyway! I love that the social media guru is Freelee lol (fruitarian here) I do know that science can not predict the way someones individual's anatomy will react to something. That is why it is such a mixed field in dieting because what work wonders for me may leave the next person in a trench! I've tried it all and the most sustainable one for me is Fruitarian/mostly raw vegan. I have done keto and Atkins and paleo and potato diets and the whole nine yards with my personal body and health this is the hands down best. That isn't pseudo-science to know what works for you works. If it doesn't work though just move on rely on your bodies signals to guide you!  

Everyone is different until put into a metabolic ward where they can't screw up their estimates on intake, expenditure or both. That's all the proof I need plus the results I see in people like myself, Rosio, Kay, etc. Just because something works, doesn't mean it is the only way. There are many paths to Rome, choose whichever one you want and can stick to for life. At the end of the day it comes down to CICO which is what the science backs. There is no insulin fairy. 

Haha! Reference beliefs, I used to be a big believer in "clean" eating. I was like most dieters/lifters in the early 2000's, I followed what fitness magazines spewed. I was shown the actual science from leangains.com in 2010, put the info into play including conducting a "junk" food experiment where I got into the best shape I've been in thus far by simply counting my expenditure and intake religiously. If people are going to say they are the exception and that they are special, then I guess there is nothing I can say. Metabolic ward studies have gathered several types of people from both genders and all have gotten very similar results. When calories and protein are equated, fat loss is equal. 

The many paths to Rome) is basically what I was getting at. The way you achieve a better you really doesn't matter as long as you can sustain it and keep it going as a lifestyle. I have personally lost 70 pounds eating 80% carbs 10% fat and 10% protein (from fruits and veg) and never felt better in my life than any other "diet" or way of eating/lifestyle what have you. I also have my muscle mass monitored by my physician and I have lost almost no muscle mass almost all the pounds I have lost have been fat and a little water. So personally yeah I would say lots of things work but not everything works for everyone.  

People differ in their burn so their required intakes can vary wildly. A large person in an active job compared to a small person at a desk job for example. I agree, people need to find what they can stick to, but given the same calories, the person will have the exact same results no matter if it's insulin spiking fruit/oreos or kale. 

I'm not arguing personal preferences or food weaknesses. Just arguing the whole everyone is different when it comes to how much energy we get from the same foods. I mean, that would be the only way someone will gain/lose more weight on the same calories. If somehow certain foods caused a radical swing in someone's metabolism. I have not seen a study where this happened in a single person. We differ about as much as any other animal differs from their species when it comes to CICO. 

Not at all. 

I get that and all that comes to math I agree that calories in and calories out is the entire basis of weight gain and loss but my only thing is that the type of calories you put in can vary from personal preference to a lot of other factors (Like autoimmune disease) meaning I can't have some of the foods another can (even though healthy) because they trigger flares in me personally. But I will say nutrient value does affect the overall health of people. Because I have lost weight on plenty of diets that didn't have the same nutrient profiles and while I lost weight I would never say I was healthy and my bloodwork could tell you the same. Iron deficiencies and all sorts of other factors go back to the type of foods you eat which while you are right do not really effect pounds lost or gained they do affect other aspects of your health.  

You're still arguing something I never mentioned. If certain foods cause health issues, avoid them. If certain foods cause you to over consume calories, avoid them. I will say that the number one factor of a healthy person is weight control. That is not everything, however, just most of it. 

I just don't see where this post says to compose most of your diets from low nutrient foods or where I mentioned that. 

Dieticians have NEVER helped me. I'm a diabetic and the first thing they all tell me is about all the carbs I Should be eating. Using the Diabetes Association diet they gave me the past couple years I've gained weight, had to increase my insulin from 20 units per day up to 80. Nope! They are stuck in the 1950-60's in their thinking. Their diet killed my diabetic mother. Not gonna let it kill me. I've cut my carbs back, begun eating real fats and butter and dropped my insulin down to less than half. As I lose weight my insulin shots will continue to decrease, I'm positive of it. Eating REAL fat has already lowered my blood pressure and blood fats. 

Again, find what works for you. This post wasn't targeting diabetics. Follow your doctor's advice when it comes to that. 

I'm not really arguing or didn't mean to come off in that way and the post said nutrition advice so I assumed that was the topic and since freelee and a vegan docu were on the avoid list I felt like saying that it wasn't all bad on our spectrum and doing what they suggest works for some people like myself. Simple that is all I really intended to get across lol. And you did make mention of a junk food experiment getting you into the "best shape thus far" and referring to the titled poster I thought you were meaning health wise not just body wise. In which case I stated my opinions on it, but that really wasn't me arguing anything simply stating my experiences on the public post since it seemed as if it was calling into question the health of people who choose a different type of diet then purely calorie counting. I don't think you are personally targeting anyone nor do I think anyone is getting defensive just kind of letting their voice be heard on a subject that has some relevance to their diet of choice or weight loss efforts of choice  

I have actually got more information on this website and on my own research with Google and my own books vs any general nutritionist and general doctor. Lol I was just at doctor and they told me some general stuff and even some stuff I knew was wrong from other advanced Md and diet specialists. Lol I just nodded to humor them. General nutritionist I have found are atrocious. I don't know if they are better in other states since I live In Florida. Florida does not have the best reputation for the medical profession  

Veganlizzles, I didn't just mention it, I posted my essentially 10 month long log of intake vs. expenditure on my journal, it's the next post. 

"The best diet for you is the one you don't know you're on." Yuri Elkaim and amen to that. If you feel good, your health markers are good, you're able to sustain it without thinking about it too much and, most importantly, you actually enjoy it, that is the right way to eat FOR YOU.  

Great advice Ttinabee!!!! Bottom line it's got to be something you can stick with in the long term!!! Everybody is different!!! ☺☺☺☺ Have a nice day every one including 360!! Everyone has different stuff that's works for them!!