peeperjj's Journal, 23 Sep 18

So I finally found an article for low carb but not the rest. Didn’t even think to look at the Mayo Clinic 😳. ———— https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/low-carb-diet/art-20045831 ————- Also helps me answer a question about low carb and bone loss. May not be a good idea. Something to ask my oncologist about this week if she has more than 5 minutes for me this time. :/ 

Thanks for all the information!  

The sources of info I read suggest 70 to 120 grams of protein for an average woman. Little less if short, little more if tall. Need to be in the upper range at an older age, to avoid getting weak and frail. Going too low on proteins can lead to frequent hunger. Good fats are essential for the body and need to be included the diet. Best fats come together with the natural protein source. Best kept high for feeling great drive and energy. For body fat loss, best to keep at a moderate to low level. Vegetable/seed oils destroy the body, and should be avoided. Fruit/nut oils better. This leaves carbs last. There are several levels. For Insulin issues, 12 grams max per meal, 24 grams max per day is a good norm. Three out of four deal with insulin issues, and this type of healing program give unreal results. The fundamental reason for other levels of carb restriction is to avoid the refined carbs that wreck the human body. Certain serious diseases require near zero carbs to be cured efficiently. Whomever say carbs are essential, is in some way or the other sponsored by the carb industry.  

Haha Chris. Nice to know talking a lot is called ‘went Peeper’ haha 😂 

Thanks diddlee. I believe carbs are necessary for me but I’m not linked to the carb industry. Well we farm and sell the wheat to other farmers who sell the wheat to elevators who sell to companies who make things like flour and bread so.. perhaps I am linked lol. Carbs aren’t good for some I know. —————— So far I’ve yet to find percentages. I can find a range of grams for protein and for fats I find ranges of grams and percentages. Carbs all I find is low can be 0-20, 0-50, 0-100, low to moderate 20-5”, 20-100, 50-150, and one went as high as about 180g I think. Is kind of all over the place. My dr said I personally shouldn’t cut out all carbs with my activity and how I get fatigued and lethargic when I cut out carbs. I also get weak and don’t feel well on low protein so he suggested I don’t cut that either. I can cut fat but he said to make sure I still get some from sources like ground beef(preferably very little), avocados which I dislike, nuts, dairy etc. Just trying to figure out what’s best for me and my lifestyle.  

My friend and I talked again today. She’s on a high protein and moderate carb/fat diet and not losing. However she needs neck surgery again so her activity is restricted to things like walking (which she dislikes), gardening and simple household tasks. She’s considering cutting again but with surgery coming up I don’t think that’s wise. So now I’m also looking for information pertaining to her situation. Ah well, it keeps me busy instead of snacking!! 

Also, it’s funny that you mention protein keeps you full longer. I know this yet it slipped my mind. I haven’t been hungry. I starve of a morning but manage to hold off until lunch or a 100 calorie snack before. I’ve been eating a lot of chicken, ground beef patties (happy Chris? I didn’t say burger lol), protein bars/shakes/jerky and even ground beef in tortillas. Perhaps this isn’t the normal cycle in my depression where I don’t eat much. Perhaps it’s all that meat! I’ve been restricting carbs to things like low carb tortilla and low net carb Atkins bar tonight. I haven’t paid much attention other than that so will be interesting to see how my carbs stack up today and yesterday. (Not starting low carb just playing around to see the effect during a time it’s physically and emotionally easier for me to do so)  

peeperjj You seem dedicated to decode optimal food and exercise, for optimal living. Find when I change my menu, it takes a while for the body to adjust. Once adjusted, the benefits become more clear to see and feel. Think what you do is right. Adjust some... check... adjust some more if needed... a very personal thing. 

most people figure out there needed protein level for their activity and then play with the other two numbers. I think the protein is the most important one to set when you are building muscle. and normally it is 1 to 1.8 of your lean body weight. there are macro calculators on line you can play with. You like carbs and do well on them so you are naturally going to have a higher percentage then the keto based diet. you adjust between the fat and carb ratio's for what ultimately works best with your body. you feel the difference within yourself over time. really the only way you can test. someone elses ideal may not be yours. and weight loss is going to be different than maintenance, building program may be different then weight loss too. 

@diddlee yes I love a good mystery lol. I like figuring things out but I think I’m this case it’ll change so much that I probably will never have an accurate view of things at any given time.  

@baskington my lean mass is 85-109# depending on which BF % I use....trainers last measurements (19.22% which I highly doubt), her first measurements (26.59% which is more likely) or my measurements which ranges from 30-33%. I go for the middle ground of 27% BF and about 100# lbw. So my goal currently is 100g protein. I seem to be losing a bit of strength. Upper body is harder with weights right now. However I can do things like carry my kid around off and on for 2-3 days, lifting a feed bag was easier now than months ago etc. That tells me I’m gaining strength. So confusing lol. Lower body is thriving as I went up about 20# for hips and legs anywhere from 15 to 60# for my max.  

@baskington as to carbs/fats. At the moment I’m leaving them alone. Some days are high carb and others high fat. I eat based on what I want that day as long as I get the 100g protein- which I’m thinking is too low in reality. I don’t seem to do better on either one being high. I do seem to do better when keeping fat below 50-60g per day. I seem to do better when keeping carbs under 150-200g but yeah that’s probably high overall with my in/out. Finding a good balance is too frustrating and time consuming and I go completely off my diet when I try because of those issues. I’d rather be keeping to my healthier, albeit not as healthy as it could be, diet with a lot of variance than dropping the diet and going all out with fast food and more processed foods. I find that I’m still eating my junky snacks some but for meals I’ve cut out a LOT of pasta, potatoes, frozen side dishes, frozen pizza, hotdogs etc. Just wish all this was easy lol. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with me!